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How to open against total garbage??

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hiredgun77

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Post Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:44 pm

How to open against total garbage??

I am beginner and I'm not ashamed to admit it because everyone has to start some where, lol. I've found an opening as White that I'm comfortable with, but I am having a real hard time finding an opening for Black that can play. The reason for this is that at least at my low level, none of my White opponents seem to want to play "normal" openings, which makes it hard for me to play a "normal" opening either. 9 times out of 10 they'll try and give me the "fools mate" which dictates the opening I can use. Or they''ll play something totally off the wall like my last opponent did, opening with B3, and then to my C5, following up with G3. Certainly not "main stream" to say the least!!! These kinds of things make it really hard to find an opening as Black that I'm comfortable with. Of course I could play against much higher rated opponents who use more "standard" openings, but getting my clock cleaned every time I play isn't too appealing either, lol. Which brings me to the purpose of this post, I wanted to ask if there is any good "all terrain" opening I can use for Black that would be valid against the "normal" openings as well as the "off the wall" openings??? I don't mind playing as Black at all like some do, but it is getting rather frustrating trying to learn a decent opening I can feel comfortable with when everyone I play with seems to want to get a "cheap" win with "fools mate" or make opening moves that aren't even listed in the data bases!!! Thanks in advance, H.G.
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knightattack

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Post Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:19 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Hi Hiredgun77,

The first-move advantage in chess is the inherent advantage of the player (called White) who makes the first move in chess. Chess players and theorists generally agree that White begins the game with some advantage....
Unlike Fool's Mate, which rarely occurs at any level, games ending in Scholar's Mate are quite common among beginners.
By the way the most common opening in white is e4 e5
So If you see the...
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6 3. Bc4, if Black continues 3... Nf6? then White can end the game immediately with 4. Qxf7#. However, Black can easily avoid the mate: either 3... Qe7 or 3... g6 defend against the threat. If White renews the Qxf7 threat after 3... g6 4. Qf3, Black can easily defend by 4... Nf6, and develop his bishop later via fianchetto to g7.
if you want to be a good player then you have to play with good players,watch/analysis the games and do more practice..there are a lots of opening in chesss..when you are watching someone's game see the opening's move and the defense moves. that helps you to improve your chess skills.


here are some opening which is played by white mostly...

Caro-kann opening>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=255

Queen’s gambit>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=246

King’s Indian Attack>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=412

King’s Indian Defense>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=238

Ruy lopez>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=410

King’s gambit>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3387

Reti’s opening>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=519

Pric opening>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=424

Four knight>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=423
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hiredgun77

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Post Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:34 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Thank you very much for responding knightattack, and you were right, it was Scholar's Mate that I was talking about, I don´t know why I thought it was Fools Mate!! I am going to check out those links that you posted, but I was wondering if you had one for the Center Counter Defence?? I read that it was good opening for beginners playing black because there is not a whole lot of theory to learn. It also looks like fun because the action begins almost from the very start :dance: :dance: :dance: Thanks again, H.G.
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knightattack

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Post Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:09 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Center Counter Defence
One of the oldest chess openings, the scandinavian defense, black immediately challenges the center from white's e4 with d5. After white recaptures black has two options to respond. Black can immediately recapture with his queen and reach equality in material or play Nf6 and try to gain a spacial and developmental advantage. If black chooses for Nf6 both sides need to keep their eyes open as there are many small traps that both sides can fall for that will destroy their position.

Scandinavian Defense>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3659

An Example...
White vs. Black
[Result 1/2-1/2]


1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. dxe6 Nc6 5. exf7+ Kxf7 6. Be2 Bc5 7. Nf3 Re8 8. O-O Bf5 9. Nc3 Bd3 10. Bxd3 Qxd3 11. Qb3 Nb4 12. a3 Nc2 13. Qxb7 Nxa1 14. Qxc7+ Nd7 15. b4 Bb6 16. Qf4+ Kg8 17. c5 Nc2 18. Bb2 Bd8 19. c6 Rf8 20. Qe4 Qxe4 21. Nxe4 Nf6 22. Nd6 a5 23. b5 Bc7 24. Nb7 g5 25. h3 h5 26. Nxg5 Rae8 27. Rc1 Ne4 28. Nf3 Rxf3 29. gxf3 Nxd2 30. Kh1 Ne1 31. Bc3 Nexf3 32. Bxa5 Nb3 33. Bxc7 Nxc1 34. b6 Nb3 35. Nd8 Nbd4 36. Kg2 Nh4+ 37. Kg3 Nhf5+ 38. Kg2 Ne7 39. b7 Nexc6 40. h4 Kf8 41. Bd6+ Kg7 42. Nxc6 Nxc6 43. a4 Re4 44. a5 Ra4 45. b8=Q Nxb8 46. Bxb8 Rxa5 47. Kg3 Kf6 48. f3 Kf5 49. Bf4 Ra7 50. Be3 Ra6 51. Bg5 Rg6 52. Kf2

Video>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rrt0Lm1 ... r_embedded
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hiredgun77

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Post Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:22 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Thank you once again knightattack, it looks like you are no stranger to the Center Counter Defence, lol. I have watched the video several times, and really enjoyed it. I think I like the Bronstein Varitation to try and learn because while the Queen is still active, she's a little farther back from the action than the other variations. What's your take on the Bronstein?? H.G.
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knightattack

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Post Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:37 am

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Scandinavian Defense: Bronstein Variation

I always play this variation when i am playing with black...

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 c6 5. Nf3 Bf5 6. Ne5 Nd7 7. Nc4 Qc7 8. Bd3 Bxd3 9. Qxd3 e6 10. O-O Ngf6 11. Ne2 b5 12. Bf4 Qb7 13. Nd2 Nd5 14. Rfe1 Be7 15. Bg3 N7f6 16. Nf3 O-O 17. Nc3 Rfd8

Here the Bronstein Variation with some chess opening...

1. Ruy Lopez (C69)
Exchange, Bronstein variation

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. O-O Qd6

2. Caro-Kann (B16)
Bronstein-Larsen variation

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6+ gxf6

3. Nimzo-Indian (E45)
4.e3, Bronstein (Byrne) variation

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 b6 5. Ne2 Ba6

4. Sicilian (B41)
Kan, Maroczy bind - Bronstein variation

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Bd3 Nc6 8. Bc2

5. King's Indian (E87)
Saemisch, Orthodox, Bronstein variation

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 e5 7. d5 Nh5 8. Qd2 Qh4+ 9. g3 Nxg3 10. Qf2 Nxf1 11. Qxh4 Nxe3 12. Ke2 Nxc4

6. King's Indian (E62)
Fianchetto, Kavalek (Bronstein) variation

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. Nf3 d6 5. g3 O-O 6. Bg2 c6 7. O-O Qa5

7. QGD (D35)
Exchange, chameleon variation

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 O-O 7. Bd3 Nbd7 8. Qc2 Re8 9. Nge2 Nf8 10. O-O-O

I hope this post helps you.. (A)
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hiredgun77

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Post Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:49 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Lol, talk about more Bronstein for your buck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: I´ll never need another variation again as Black, lol. If there is ever a contest for ¨mod of the year¨ let me know where to vote, lol. However, there is one thing I am confused about. I thought the Bronstein Variation against e4 is Qd6 after Nc3 and not Qa5 as occurs in the example in your last post. Before I start any heavy duty studying, I want to make sure I´ve got it right. What I liked about Qd6 is that while she´s still influencing the board, she´s farther away from the ¨front lines¨ as with Qa5. If it isn´t too much trouble, could you please clarify this point for me. Thanks a ton, you´ve really gone out of your way to help, H.G.
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knightattack

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Post Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:15 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

First of all when white moves e4 and you move d5 after that exd5..next good move is Qxd5..if you move Qd6..then you are slightly down..and after that the next move of white is Nc3..so my openion is you have to move Qxd5...


For bignners...

1. Caro-Kann (B16)
Bronstein-Larsen variation 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6 gxf6

2. Scandinavian Defense>> viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3659


OR

you can play this variation for center counter defense...
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. dxe6 Nc6 5. exf7 Kxf7 6. Be2 Bc5 7. Nf3 Re8 8. O-O Bf5 9. Nc3 Bd3 10. Bxd3 Qxd3 11. Qb3 Nb4 12. a3 Nc2 13. Qxb7 Nxa1 14. Qxc7 Nd7 15. b4 Bb6 16. Qf4 Kg8 17. c5 Nc2 18. Bb2 Bd8 19. c6 Rf8 20. Qe4 Qxe4 21. Nxe4 Nf6 22. Nd6 a5 23. b5 Bc7 24. Nb7 g5 25. h3 h5 26. Nxg5 Rae8 27. Rc1 Ne4 28. Nf3 Rxf3 29. gxf3 Nxd2 30. Kh1 Ne1 31. Bc3 Nexf3 32. Bxa5 Nb3 33. Bxc7 Nxc1 34. b6 Nb3 35. Nd8 Nbd4 36. Kg2 Nh4 37. Kg3 Nhf5 38. Kg2 Ne7 39. b7 Nexc6 40. h4 Kf8 41. Bd6 Kg7 42. Nxc6 Nxc6 43. a4 Re4 44. a5 Ra4 45. b8=Q Nxb8 46. Bxb8 Rxa5 47. Kg3 Kf6 48. f3 Kf5 49. Bf4 Ra7 50. Be3 Ra6 51. Bg5 Rg6 52. Kf2
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hiredgun77

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Post Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:44 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Once again I have managed to explain myself wrong, must be the time difference, lol. Here is what I understand to be the Bronstein Variation and what I was trying to ask about in my previous post.

1. e2-e4 d7-d5
2. e4xd5 Qd8xd5
3. Nb1-c3 Qd5-d6
4. d2-d3 Ng8-f6
5. Ng1-f3 a7-a6
6. Bf1-e2 Nb8-c6
7. O-O Bc8-f5

So on move 3 after capturing with the Queen, when white attacks with the knight, you pull her back to d6, which I felt was safer than leaving her on a5. Sorry for not explaining myself properly the first time, but back to the original question. Isn´t this the Bronstein variation, or have I totally gotten mixed up again?? H.G.
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knightattack

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Post Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:26 pm

Re: How to open against total garbage??

Qa5 is the good and safe move.. because after that black have to chance to develop the piececs...
and white's next move is d4 to open the both bishop's way...


1. e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bf5 6. Bd2 c6(making a safe square for queen) 7. Bc4 e6
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